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Poverty stricken? My family is from there. People like like they do in Fiji because it's their choice. The other half of my family choose not to, so they migrated to another country where things are materialistically more prosperous.
ReplyDeleteThe poverty there is only relative to your lifestyle where you are. Regardless of all that, bottled water is a huge rort of consumers. My wife and I bottle our own water at home and take it with us when we head out. No rubbish, no waste, we bring the bottle home, top it up and use it again.
My glass bottle looks better than any designer label bottled water, and it also helped save tonnes of plastic production, shipping around the world (sometimes twice), and keeps the crap off the landfill.
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ReplyDeleteHow the fuck is anyone so disconnected with the world to waste their money on ANY bottled water? Not even considering how much more of a kick in the world's nuts buying expensive shit like Fiji is.
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ReplyDeleteI lived in Fiji for a year, drank only bottled water but never the FIJI WATER brand as it cost considerably more than others.
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I have to mention that I came across a few entrepreneur types (usually Aussie and Kiwi) running tourist-related businesses and touting themselves as ENVIRONMENTALISTS (in big letters!), and it was usually bullsh_t.
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It's things like this that other countries have been doing forever... Theres this process that happens with outdated technology... Usually we figure out some crazy shit and years down the road we finally see the consequences of not enough research. So to reign these outdated technologies the federal government MUST STEP IN. These are the types of things that should have been long ago passed.
I also do not buy plastic bottled water
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ReplyDeleteThough it's still true that bottled water doesn't ultimately make sense, especially when transported long distances.
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ReplyDeleteUm, ok. I'm not trying to be derisive here.. But this is true of every manufacturer of goods that we all consume daily.. Not really a big deal relative to the grand scheme of things.
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